quiet_tiger: (Arrow)
quiet_tiger ([personal profile] quiet_tiger) wrote2012-10-10 09:15 pm

Arrow!

Who else watched Arrow?



Elephant in the room: Did they really use the exterior of Lex's mansion, or am I crazy? I kept expecting Lex or Victoria or Lana or Lionel to wander into the scene.

Overall the show had a very Smallville feel, what with the unncessary/excessive close up shots, hints of green everywhere, anonymous-looking city that is probably Vancouver, bald villain, long-haired brunette with an LL name, super obvious and obnoxious fake CGI (really? You couldn't get a camera crew together to shoot footage of an actual island? Oliver doesn't even have to be in the shot)...

But the guy playing Oliver was good. Hopefully he'll be good enough to carry the show because I don't give a crap thus far about anyone else on it. That's usually not a good sign for, well, anything. Shows usually require either from the get-go or the quick development of interesting secondary characters to carry things along. Like SV's Chloe, TVD's Caroline, Psych's Henry, Chuck's Morgan, Buffy's Willow, etc etc etc.

I find it interesting that Oliver is, shall we say, violent. I don't really know too much about Oliver in the comics other than stuck on an island = crazy bowhunting ability. But I really didn't expect him to kill people. He really is a dark character in this.

But a nice one to look at, for the shallow of us out there. I didn't get a good look at his arms, unfortunately.

I'd like a better look at his equipment, too, see what's really going on with his arrows and things. The longbow is kind of strange to see, after getting used to Justin Hartley's tech-heavy bows and Hawkeye's collapsible one. (that's right, I went there. Strayed from DC to the Avengers because of the awesome.)

But holy jeez, wear a mask under that hood! It doesn't have an invisible opaque screen!

I'll keep watching, but there needs to be some development of the other characters. We got introduced to like fifteen people, most of whom I don't think exist in the comics.

Anyone else have some thoughts?

[identity profile] roxymissrose.livejournal.com 2012-10-11 02:06 am (UTC)(link)
I was shocked he killed people! I might watch it again. :)

[identity profile] quiet--tiger.livejournal.com 2012-10-11 02:34 am (UTC)(link)
It was really jarring/surprising! I understand why he did it, but it's definitely a different/darker direction!

Hey, it's the lead-in to your favorite show, you just need to turn on the CW a bit early!

[identity profile] roxymissrose.livejournal.com 2012-10-11 03:35 am (UTC)(link)
I've got my fingers crossed people love it and then keep it tuned to my show--ratings, baby! :)

[identity profile] quiet--tiger.livejournal.com 2012-10-11 11:34 am (UTC)(link)
I bet they will!

[identity profile] larsinger29.livejournal.com 2012-10-11 04:13 pm (UTC)(link)
I agree with a lot of your points here. I'm still intrigued, and I did enjoy the pilot for the most part, but there were some things that as a fan just made me facepalm. One being: why the hell did the change Dinah's name? I mean, is "Laurel" anymore popular today than "Dinah"? Or just what was the purpose of that? My brain just automatically switched her name to Dinah whenever someone called her Laurel, just because it's a bit ridiculous. (I'm also a bit of a Dinah fangirl, so I just don't understand why they'd want to change something like that?!)

It definitely is dark, though I guess GA has done dark in his past (the Grell years come to mind, from what I've heard/remember). Still, it was definitely a moment of "this isn't your happy ray of sunshine type superhero show" when he started taking out bad guys. I think this definitely reflects Nolan's influence on the superhero genre...at least in terms of DC characters (Marvel studios seems to just do it in a different way, where even though there's killing and mass destruction, it's not dwelled on and things lean more upbeat).

Also, wtf no mask? Yeah, because a little bit of make-up and a hood will really hide your true identity. A mask isn't that unrealistic, but maybe that'll be a future plot development.

The other characters definitely need to be developed more. I see some potential in *Dinah* and in Thea, and maybe the others will be fleshed out as the series goes on. Ollie is not as I think of him in my head-canon, but he's not too far off that I can't enjoy him (or at least enjoy looking at him). Hopefully the actor will grow into his portrayal and show us a bit more of Ollie's charisma and humor.

I'm also going to keep with it, if for no other reason then it gives me something to finally watch on Wednesdays at 8pm! Hopefully it'll continue to improve.

[identity profile] quiet--tiger.livejournal.com 2012-10-12 12:44 am (UTC)(link)
I was super blonde last night and didn't even put together "Laurel Lance" as being "Dinah Lance." I think I'm so used to her being referred to as just Dinah that I forgot her last name. But I did think "Laurel Lance" was a horribly awkward name that simply doesn't flow very well. The reason would be that it's no one's name! Lana Lang, Lois Lane, Lex and Lionel Luthor, they all have a nice cadence to them. But yeah, there's no reason to change it. If it's supposed to be a big reveal it fell flat because the people doing research on the show would know, and people like us would just think it's weird.

I don't mind dark so long as it lightens a bit at times. I don't need Candyland-style TV shows (is that a mixed metaphor?) but super dark all the time is just gonna depress me.

I'm actually kind of glad Joss Whedon brought the humor and fun back to superheroes. I thought Avengers was amazing.

I'm not really sure how Smallville started this trend of hoods hiding people's identities. 'Cause they don't. Make up isn't gonna do anything. I *know* they don't want to pay for an actor and then cover his face, but sheesh. He's not Iron Man. And even in the full suit we see enough of Robert Downey Jr.

I didn't even catch which one was Thea. Too many people.

I thought the actor was good, and he'll no doubt only get better as the show figures out what's it's doing. And yes, I will definitely enjoy the looking. :) As he gets used to being back in the city and his home I'm sure he'll recover mentally and be more like the Ollie we know. But I hope not to the ignore-Roy-to-the-extent-of-heroin part.

The only returning shows I have this year are Vampire Diaries and Psych, because House and Chuck went off the air last year, and Psych isn't gonna start up until February, so I'm really glad to have something to watch!

[identity profile] larsinger29.livejournal.com 2012-10-12 03:18 am (UTC)(link)
I agree with you about the light-heartedness that Whedon brought to The Avengers (and hope I didn't imply otherwise!). It's refreshing and works well with those characters. I'm also not opposed to a darker expression of the characters either, though along with you I like elements of humor and lightness to be there from time to time. I think Nolan tried to do that in his Batman series, and succeeded fairly well. Arrow will hopefully find it's balance, and bring a bit more of Ollie's joviality and snark to light once he starts to heal from his traumatic experience.

A simply domino mask wouldn't really cover that much of his face, but would at least play to the idea that he's trying to protect his identity. And let's be real, we're all looking at his arms and abs anyways! ;o)

Thea was his sister, btw. I'm not sure if that's a comics-based thing (I can't remember him ever having a sister, though maybe in the early days or maybe she died young), or if it's likely a development by the show to create more opportunities for drama/allude to a potential sidekick with a drug problem (sadly not Roy, though I'm with you in hoping that they'd never have Ollie be so wrapped up in himself he'd ignore a loved one turning to drugs. From what we've seen thus far, it looks like this Ollie isn't happy with and is trying to thwart his sister's habit).

I've got waaaaay too many shows that I watch, but I made room for Arrow. At least to give it a shot in the beginning. I'll stick with it for a while, and hope that the minor issues I had with it get resolved...and continue to remind myself that there's always room for adaptation and interpretation (even if I find elements of the DCU/DCAU superior).

[identity profile] greenlady2.livejournal.com 2012-11-02 02:17 am (UTC)(link)
I haven't watch Arrow, because... Green Arrow? No thanks. SV ruined most such shows for me. I loved The Avengers and the movies that came before. That's my idea of Superheroes, not the current CW version.

Arrow is filmed in Vancouver. Vancouver is not anonymous looking of itself -- it's an incredibly beautiful city, actually -- but it can morph into almost any place on Earth given enough motivation. That is Hatley Castle they're using as the Queen mansion, yes. Hatley Castle is on Vancouver Island, near Victoria and a ways away from Vancouver, but it's beautiful. They used it for the castle in the X-men movies, too.
Edited 2012-11-02 02:18 (UTC)

[identity profile] quiet--tiger.livejournal.com 2012-11-02 02:24 am (UTC)(link)
They can make an effort to make the cinematography look less like Smallville. There's got to be another huge home that can be used that isn't the Luthor mansion. Obviously there are going to be a lot of fans of Smallville watching Arrow, and it's quite jarring to see the castle. Arrow is trying to be more like Nolanverse, as far as "realism" is concerned. There's nothing silly about it the way SV was silly from the get-go.

[identity profile] greenlady2.livejournal.com 2012-11-03 04:11 am (UTC)(link)
"They can make an effort to make the cinematography look less like Smallville."

ITA. Sounds like laziness to me.

"There's got to be another huge home that can be used that isn't the Luthor mansion."

There are lots of huge mansions in various areas of Vancouver. Shaughnessy, especially. But maybe the producers of Arrow just wanted to give Lex's mansion to Oliver Queen, for some reason.

"There's nothing silly about it the way SV was silly from the get-go."

That might be a positive thing. But if they have Queen killing people, and getting away with it, that goes far beyond what I can tolerate. I've never believed that Clark wasn't killing people from the time he got his powers at 14, but the producers said he wasn't. It's not that I believe them, the liars, but at least they weren't bragging about his kill rate. But I just don't like violent 'heroes' who kill people unless it's unavoidable. I don't think Batman killed, did he? Didn't he hand over the crooks to the cops? Even the Joker? So if they have Queen killing from the start? I don't think it's my kind of show.

[identity profile] quiet--tiger.livejournal.com 2012-11-03 05:34 pm (UTC)(link)
In the very early comics, Batman had a gun and killed. He doesn't now, though, of course, in fact when Tim thinks it's Bruce under the cowl in Knightfall and was killing people (it was Azrael), he bursts into tears.

Oliver is dishing out a different sort of justice, and it already may have caught up with him in the show.

[identity profile] greenlady2.livejournal.com 2012-11-03 11:02 pm (UTC)(link)
"In the very early comics, Batman had a gun and killed."

Ah. I didn't know that specifically about Batman, but I did know that the early comics were much more violent in ways leading to fatalities, until people became quite understandably worried about what the kids were reading.

"Oliver is dishing out a different sort of justice, and it already may have caught up with him in the show."

I hope it does catch up with him, but how much of a price is the 'hero' of the show going to pay? Someone will yell at him, and he'll hang his head and promise never to kill again? :-)

And then some of the fans of the show will complain about how their gorgeous, adorable Oliver got chewed out.

And look how much I have to say about a show I haven't seen! But actually, it can be fun to discuss a show you aren't watching. Just the fact that it doesn't matter one way or the other what happens on the show, is kind of relaxing. :-)))